i don't think romney is reversing a lot of these trends. if you think that's going to happen, that's probably not the case. >> i think we're missing one thing. my point would be in the '80s, the interest cost of our national debt was 18, 19% of the budget. last year it's about 9%. if the ten-year treasury goes back to the 5% neighborhood, which it was in 2007, the interest on our debt will be upped to 21% of our budget. i think romney has a lock on handling that severe problem facing us. >> that's not lost on ben bernanke either, larry. >> this assumes interest rates are going to go up as deficit goes up as opposed to the fact the dollar is a currency of last resort and has kept rates chronically low. i know we've gone way far from big bird, but we probably should have anyway. >> and way over time, but it's okay. it was a good discussion. thank you both for joining us. >> thanks. >> thanks so much, everybody. we have about 40 minutes left in the program and before the closing bell sounds. we have a market down about 100 points. chb >> by th